Zugg Software :: View topic - zMUD -- Out of System Resources

Novice Joined: 21 Feb 2002 Posts: 49 Location: USA

I keep getting "out of system resources" box pop up during my time while mudding with zMUD 7.01 and even the previous public version. I don't know why this happens, but it only happens when running zMUD. There's not much to go on but that message.

Does anybody know what I'm suppose to do besides click OK and continue on until the next Out of System Resources pops up?

I'm running Windows XP and I don't believe for a minute I'm using up all the resources of my system, as I have just zMUD running alone. Also, when enough of these Out of System Resources pop up, zMUD cancels itself (with no message or warming). This problem occurs no matter what MUD I'm playing at the time.

Any ideas?

Newbie Joined: 14 Sep 2001 Posts: 6 Location: USA

On possiblity is you have some trigger that is successively adding to a variable or if you are instantiating COM classes, you aren't cleaning things up after you are done. In either case, eventually over time you just simply run out of resources and your Zmud dies. Since you are in Windows XP, run the Task Manager and keep an eye out on the zmud.exe process. Check memory usage over time, I suspect you will see it increase and never really decrease significantly.

Novice Joined: 21 Feb 2002 Posts: 49 Location: USA

Here is addtional information I'm getting...it happens often but not everytime. I exit the MUD using their EXIT procedures (i.e. RENT, then type 0 to quit the mud). I get the following POPup error: ERROR READING OKBtn.Glyph.Data, Win32 Error Code: 1814

To get out of zMUD, I have to CNTL+ALT+DELETE. and then end ZMUD that way.

Hope this is more information.

Novice Joined: 21 Feb 2002 Posts: 49 Location: USA

Sorry... bump.

Novice Joined: 05 Jan 2003 Posts: 39 Location: Netherlands

Another posibility is your buffer.. I've set my max buffer at 60000 lines (view -> prefs -> general -> memory). After a day or two of leaving zMUD open it adds up to about 200mb's of memory usage.. XP is great but if you simply run out of memory I suspect you'll get issues with recources even in XP.

Novice Joined: 21 Feb 2002 Posts: 49 Location: USA

Son-of-a-gun Timas, you fixed it! No more out of memory messages...so far. Thanks.

Novice Joined: 21 Feb 2002 Posts: 49 Location: USA

Rats.. it's back again. The fix was temporary and makes it possible to go longer without getting the out of system resources messages. I even bumped it up to 100,000 to no avail. It makes me wonder what is happening that is causing a "buffer" to fill up. I don't have any fancy triggers to speak of...certainly nothing that adds to a counter or something like that. This is still a puzzlement and only happens with Zmud, so I have to be suspicious of the product.

Wizard Joined: 15 Jan 2002 Posts: 1644 Location: USA

You want a smaller buffer not a bigger one the buffer stores text that comes on the screen so you can check the backscroll a smaller buffer causes less of it to get saved and uses less memory

Novice Joined: 21 Feb 2002 Posts: 49 Location: USA

Still not working, even with 600 for my buffers (default is 1000, I guess) and I'm still getting that Code: 1814 error as mentioned in the third post from the beginning of this thread.

Pout. Aww. Don't take it so hard.

Beginner Joined: 24 Nov 2003 Posts: 11

Ya i would be playing and notice my computer start to slow, my buffer is only like 3k lines, and zmud is taking up 200-300 meg of memory [xx(] its like o boy...

Novice Joined: 05 Jan 2003 Posts: 39 Location: Netherlands

When your running zMUD keep an eye on the taks manager (press: CTR + SHIFT + ESC), look at the "processes" tab in that window, this way you can find out wether its your memory for real or not. It was for me, an oh so long time ago but maybe your having different issues.

Find that out and we'll be able to give more usefull pointers I'm sure.

Another question is, did you ever think of perhaps reinstalling zMUD clean (in a completely different directory then your using now.)

Also take a look at the performance tab, it'll give a small overview of your physical memory, available aught to be around at least 15% (if memory serves) from your total, if not XP will start giving said issues with some programs that need (or rather, eat) memory.

Its rather obvious in the task manager but still, it'll look like something like this:

Novice Joined: 21 Feb 2002 Posts: 49 Location: USA

Timas. I know you last replied on 2/24/04, but I didn't see it until today 4/27/04. I've been trying to live with the Out of Resources message, but it's still happening and driving me nuts.

I did what you suggested. I started Zmud 7.5 (previously I said 7.1 in error--edited) and got into Windows Task Manager. It said for Zmud.exe it was at 19,200K memory. I watched it and the number kept rising until it got to 137,200K memory. That's when I got the Out of Resources message. Physical Memory available was about 31%

So, what does this mean? None of the other application memory numbers kept rising like Zmud did. It would rise whether I slept or moved around. Although it would finally slow down to a stop if I slept long enough. Does that have anything to do with it? Why is ZMud using all that memory? Should it? Does this help in identifying the problem?

Thanks. Hope you see this or someone else has any idea why ZMud is the only application I have this problem with.

MASTER Joined: 28 Nov 2000 Posts: 4817 Location: USA

Upgrade to 7.05. Memory leak was one of the major problems with the earlier 7 versions.

Novice Joined: 21 Feb 2002 Posts: 49 Location: USA

I had already upgraded to 7.05 and still getting the same problems. :-(

Wizard Joined: 14 Oct 2000 Posts: 1368

This sounds like an odd bug. Do you use the standard XP theme? Or are you using the Win98 emulation theme?

You might want to start zMUD and then press escape at once. This should open an empty MUD window. Let that window stay open for a while and monitor the memory usage. Does it still increase a lot, or does this mainly happen while really connected?

You might also want to go to Windows Update to check that you have the latest updates.

Novice Joined: 21 Feb 2002 Posts: 49 Location: USA

Thanks for replying. I appreciate all the help I can get. I'm running Windows XP...nothing about Windows 98. And I accept all the Windows Updates as they come to me. I opened zMud (with ESC) as you suggested and went to Windows Task Manager. The memory is at 17,000 K.... and not increasing like it does when actually connected to a Mud.

Wizard Joined: 14 Oct 2000 Posts: 1368

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Originally posted by QuartetmanIA

Thanks for replying. I appreciate all the help I can get. I'm running Windows XP...nothing about Windows 98. And I accept all the Windows Updates as they come to me. I opened zMud (with ESC) as you suggested and went to Windows Task Manager. The memory is at 17,000 K.... and not increasing like it does when actually connected to a Mud.

This is pretty interesting. I recommend you to change to 1.000 lines as maximum for each buffer type as that is the standard.

Now the memory usage doesn't really need to show the system resources that is used but can be variables, and stuff like that as well. I think even though if the output buffert is "filled" it can increase in size some if line widths increase. It will probably stay allocated at the largest yet seen line width.

If you usually have the mapper/database/editor loaded you might want to try without them running.

The "glyph.data" error sounds a bit mysterious. I think Delhi tries to access the data of the OKBtn control. This is stored as a table in the .exe file. Have you done anything that could have modified the .exe and have you scanned it for viruses?

Enchanter Joined: 10 Oct 2000 Posts: 698

How much RAM is installed?

Have you monitored system resources while connected but with triggers disabled? (click the pistol icon next to the command line)

Have you read and followed the migration guide instructions for repairing corrupted settings files? {Support|Help Library|Migration Guide} link is located at the top of this page.

Have you tried a clean install into a separate folder?

This sounds like a corrupted settings problem, a corrupted zMUD implementaion, or a computer with too little RAM to run XP and zMUD.

Please provide system specs and possibly a copy of your script if you really want this fixed.

Novice Joined: 21 Feb 2002 Posts: 49 Location: USA

Lots of great advice for solutions...thanks again.

RAM is 256MB and 31% is still availbable for other programs than zMUD. But I run zMUD alone, ran jobs to eliminate spyware resource hogs, etc. But even if I had 10,000MB, if zMUD keeps gobbling up memory, won't it still eventually max out my resources still? I don't use Mapper,
Database, etc above. I'll disable my triggers and try again, but that seems to defeat the purpose of zMUD in my opinion. And I'll look into reloading zMUD into a separate folder.

I hope I'm not the only person having this Out of Resources error problem.

System Specs:
Windows XP Version 2002
256MB RAM
Type: MS-DOS or PC-DOS
Phy Mem: 261,242kB
Free Phy Mem: 36,480 kB
CPU Type: Intel 1500 MHz Pentium 4

Novice Joined: 21 Feb 2002 Posts: 49 Location: USA

An update!

Well. It appears unlicencing and downloading zMUD 7.5 into a new folder has fixed my problem. No longer is is eating up my memory as before. The only downside is that all the muds I use to visit and the few triggers are not in the new folder I created. Any suggestions for fixing that or do I need to redo all my muds?

Thanks.

Enchanter Joined: 10 Oct 2000 Posts: 698

Import your old settings following the directions in the migration guide. It might take some time, but your problems should go bye-bye.