Zugg Software :: View topic - [3.0] Multiple Sessions sharing one Map

Beginner Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Posts: 24 Location: Germany

In zMud i have some sessions for different chars on the same mud sharing one inherited session.
All of these are also sharing the same Map database with about 64k rooms and 400k links.
Until now it wasnt a problem to play more than one character at the same time but wil this still be true after change to sqlite Question

As far i know are multiple sessions to the same ADO database supported but supposedly thats not the case for sqlite Confused

Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:03 pm

It won't make any difference at all. SQLite is a multi-user SQL database just like ADO. So I'm not sure where you got the mis-information.

However, in general CMUD does not support multiple characters sharing the same map. The map is attached to a single session. This is something I plan to improve in the future so that each character can have it's own "marker" to be shown on the same map. But it will be a while until I add that functionality.

But the conversion to SQLite should work the same way as the current mapper. So if it's working for you now, then it should still work for you after the conversion. You can let me know if it somehow fails, but I'll probably just say that sharing the same map isn't currently supported.

Beginner Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Posts: 24 Location: Germany

Many thanks for your answer.
I could have mis-interpreted some sentences from here http://www.sqlite.org/whentouse.html.
specially these two sentences alarmed me:

Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:09 am

Well, that might be technically true when you are talking about multiple threads. But since CMUD always writes to the map database from the main thread, this shouldn't cause problems. I think the key is the statement:

GURU Joined: 26 Jul 2001 Posts: 1958 Location: Canada

I have seen in the past, with BattleTech multiplayers, a trick with push/pop'ing colors on the map for all your child windows.

Then some fancy pants set location, figure out the path, and move them about.

I'll see if I can dig that script up or find it on the net. If not perhaps we can rethink it out.

Beginner Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Posts: 24 Location: Germany

Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:13 pm

Another option, that may or may not be less palatable to you, is to have to multiple instances of CMUD running. For example, I sometimes have 3 instances running. One for my character while I'm mudding and playing, one for testing code snippets to respond to things in the forums and another for where I develop my new scripts and packages (I like to do this offline, so errant code doesn't hose my character).

Both instances of CMUD should be able to access the map independent of each other. The only hiccup I can see is getting updates when instance is mapping new areas and the other is not.

Beginner Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Posts: 24 Location: Germany

Hmm, i do not had this idea yet but on the first quick view it seems to be working.
That the map isnt updated immediately isnt a problem for me, its the same as in zMud. I would see two other hiccups: 1) i cannot easily switch betwieen tabs but have to look for the right session in the task bar^^ and 2.) it needs much more memory than a single app instance. that could be a problem when i play my druid where i have a big excel sheet open in paralel.
I also have to check if the com object used there connects to the right cmud instance.

Enchanter Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 511 Location: USA

Beginner Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Posts: 24 Location: Germany

1. statet or not, the feature is offered just via "File/Open Session" menu. From this point of view it is official.

2. CMUD shoud be an upgrade not an downgrade in one of its main features. lol. By the way, i wouldnt complain if Zugg would continue supporting
zmud with bugfixes but as i understood he will concentrate on CMUD and the new mapper.

3. I do not have any statistic about how many MUDs allow this or not. That doesnt interest me. Im playing just one mud excessive and 3 others
from time to time and all of them allow this in principle under the condition that multiple chars have their own life and are played widely independent
from each other.

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:46 pm

CMUD is *NOT AN UPGRADE* to zMUD. I don't know how many times I need to say that for people to hear it. CMUD is a completely new MUD client that has taken 2 years to write from scratch. It just happens to be mostly compatible with zMUD. There are some features that zMUD had that CMUD doesn't (yet), and there are many features that CMUD has that zMUD doesn't (and never will).

The mapper from zMUD was directly ported from zMUD into CMUD and does not work perfectly with the new CMUD interface. That is why I'm in the middle of rewriting the mapper for CMUD right now. It eventually will handle what you want, but right now it doesn't. As someone already mentioned, if you want multiple sessions running with their own map, you need to run multiple copies of CMUD (which is something zMUD couldn't do).

As for switching between tabs, you use Alt-Tab just like with any other Windows app. And memory is cheap and shouldn't be a concern these days. Most of the memory being used is for your actual map file, so the overhead of running two copies of CMUD is only 20 MB or so.

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