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Apprentice Joined: 29 May 2002 Posts: 121

I'm an old ZMUD using with quite a few indept scripts and was considering converting over to CMUD. I've looked at CMUD and like what I see, just need some help trying to determine the advantage/disadvantage between CMUD and CMUD Pro. Seems the biggest differences is SSH Support, which I don't see the need for, unless someone can give some great examples.

Any other information will be helpful.

Wizard Joined: 03 Mar 2001 Posts: 1127 Location: London

Unlikely you'll need SSH for normal mudding. I think generally if you don't know whether you need SSH then you don't.

SubAdmin Joined: 18 Nov 2001 Posts: 5182

CMudPro also includes support for the extra zMapper enhancements without requiring the purchase of zMapper.

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:39 pm

I believe (and Zugg please correct me) it will do a similar thing for the standalone database component. I.e. the one in CMUD gets re-written, there'll be a stand alone enhanced version and CMUD Pro can use the enhancements to the database program without purchase.

I also believe Pro will be the only with SFTP access, but I'm less sure about that.

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:17 pm

Wizard Joined: 03 Mar 2001 Posts: 1127 Location: London

Hm, I'd only put FTP into CMUDPro personally - it's not a standard MUD client feature imo

Sorcerer Joined: 13 Jan 2006 Posts: 715

Nor would it be useful in any way to mudding that I can see. Unless there are still a few MUDs using MUD-FTP to allow uploading of certain files via the MUD itself (for builders without shell access...) however OLC has obsoleted this feature on every MUD I know.

Newbie Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Posts: 1

Apprentice Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 170

I agree FTP seems rather, well unnecessary for a mud client, the few people that would use it can simply download a separate FTP Client like Filezilla or WinSCP. In fact I still don't see that CMUD Pro will work well at all, it's SSH use is INCREDIBLY limited by the fact that it is line based and restricts sending characters to the mudin the manner something like PuTTy can. One example is trying to edit a file through pico using zmud's SSH it's just a PITA.

Enchanter Joined: 05 Mar 2003 Posts: 593 Location: Canada

CMUD can be operated in character mode.

Apprentice Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 170

Not efficiently from my findings, there's still issues sending CTRL-LETTER to the server as you can do in PuTTy.

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:26 pm

Character mode works fine in CMUD and CMUDPro. You just need to change some settings. Turn on the Character Mode option and make sure you click on the main window so that it has keyboard focus instead of the command line.

The issue with Ctrl-Letter keys is that Windows is using some control keys as menu shortcuts (like Ctrl-C for copy, Ctrl-V for paste, etc). There is an option in CMUD to allow you to use Ctrl-Alt-Key to send Ctrl-Key to the MUD. It also helps to turn on the "Macros override menu shortcuts option".

But I use CMUD to connect to our Linux server and use the 'vi' editor all the time and it works fine. I've even used Emacs on occasion, but I'm no Emacs expert so I don't usually run it. Never used pico.

When I work on the TeSSH business client, I'll probably be improving how Ctrl-chars are used in character mode. For now, just use Ctrl-Alt-key instead of Ctrl-key.

Novice Joined: 26 Jul 2002 Posts: 35 Location: USA

I do appreciate the SSH features that you have incorporated into CMudPro (thus the reason I purchased a license). You have demonstrated the talent to corner a market niche. You've got what the competitors don't have, TODAY...mature triggering and scripting.

Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 9:12 am

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:58 pm

I have improved this in v2.26 so that when the "Macros override Menu shortcuts" option is enabled (which is the default), then in Character Mode, pressing Ctrl-key will properly send Ctrl-key to the server, and pressing Alt-key will send ESC-key to the server. I don't really want to add a bunch of extra options unless they are really needed. If you have needs for other "meta characters", then let me know what they are. But I think this should make v2.26 a lot more useful as a "normal" telnet/ssh client.

Novice Joined: 26 Jul 2002 Posts: 35 Location: USA