Zugg Software :: View topic - [2.05] Ctrl-ESC

Wizard Joined: 14 Oct 2000 Posts: 1368

According to the changelog "Pressing Ctrl-ESC will send the command line script into a background thread", but isn't Ctrl-ESC reserved for Windows? It opens the Start-menu.

Wizard Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 1201

Confirmed. Thats what happens for me too.

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:00 pm

Weird considering that every keyboard in the whole world has a windows key now, but true enough. Can't be too hard to change to Shift- or Alt- though.

Wizard Joined: 03 Mar 2001 Posts: 1127 Location: London

My 2yr old T43 Thinkpad doesn't have a windows key :)

Alt-ESC seems reserved too, looks like it's a quick way to switch between open applications
Shift-ESC seems alright

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:29 pm

CMUD shouldn't actually care what control combination you use. As long as the ESC key is pressed, and some combination of Shift, Ctrl, Alt...doesn't matter. Ctrl-ESC seemed to work fine on my system here, but use whatever combo works best for you.

Magician Joined: 09 Oct 2003 Posts: 459 Location: USA

Now that I'm actually in CMUD 2.05pro instead of 2.02 (stupid desktop icon), the Ctrl-Esc just pops open the start menu for me. Even when in CMUD Pro.

Enchanter Joined: 09 Sep 2007 Posts: 605

Ctrl+Esc opens Windows Start menu as long as Win95 exist. May be it opened smth in 3.11 or earlier - can't remember now. And as Guinn mentioned, not all of keyboards have Win key.
The bad thing that now, in 2.05, I forced press Ctrl+Esc or anything+Esc far too often now.

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:22 pm

If I press Ctrl+Esc the Start menu comes up. Pressing Esc+Ctrl though works just fine.

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:38 pm

SubAdmin Joined: 18 Nov 2001 Posts: 5182

How about CTRL-` it is just a little ways under the ESC key, and believe that is the one used for setting the command line as verbatim for the entry (or is it the ' single quote). If I am not mixed up then it is sensible as the key already has one special function for the command line.

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:26 am

The apostrophe changes the command-line script. Ctrl+` doesn't do anything, I don't think.

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:39 am

The ` key that Vijilante is talking about is the one with the ~ as the shifted key, and yes, Ctrl-` is the macro that is currently used to toggle the command line language (from zScript to Lua). So it's also taken.

The apostrophe is the ' key which has " as the shifted key, but it isn't anywhere near the ESC key on the keyboard. Americans call the ' an apostrophe (or single-quote), and call ` a back-quote, or back-tick, or just tick. The ` character isn't normally used in most US English text. When you have a conjunction, such as can't, it is using the ' apostrophe and not the ` back-quote.

The key for setting Verbatim command line is Ctrl-R. The ` back-tick is used as the "line escape" character when it is the first character on the command line.

But also, this might be different on non-US keyboards. I've never seen a UK keyboard, for example.

Wizard Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 1269

And laptop keyboards are often different again for those sorts of characters. I think Shift-Escape is fine.

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:05 am

Ctrl+` doesn't actually change the command line language - check the shortcut that's listed on the Options menu. It could be that my UK keyboard layout is messing with it, but for me it's definitely Ctrl+' that changes the language. I did report that ages ago.

Wizard Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 1269

I have a UK laptop keyboard and I can confirm that it is Ctrl-' for us to change the language.

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:44 am

I can confirm that on US (at least my Thinkpad T60) it's Ctrl+` (i.e. the back tick.)

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:47 pm

On the UK keyboard, what is the shifted character for the ' key? Is it the ~ character? That is what the US keyboard has. Also, where is the key that has the " quotes. On the US keyboard, the unshifted " key is the ' key and is located just to the left of the Enter key.

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:49 pm

The " is Shift+2. Shift+' is @. Full list here.

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:48 pm

How weird! ... I mean, how "different" :) Thanks for the link to that picture. Not sure I'll change anything, but it's good to know the differences. I should update the help file for the keyboard shortcuts to indicate the differences.

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:08 pm

No, it is weird. I understand that room had to be made for the £ key and that's why we have an extra key, but @ and " being swapped really is strange.

Wizard Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 1269

The weird thing, IMO, is that the ` key is actually in the same place on the UK keyboard as the US keyboard and yet the keyboard shortcut for changing the scripting language doesn't use the same ` key.

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:29 pm

Yes, that's definitely very strange. CMUD uses the "virtual key code" that is returned from Windows, and you'd think that the ` key on both keyboards would return the same key code. I don't understand that at all.

Wizard Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 1269

Our shift-` is ¬ though, and yours is ~. So I suppose it's not quite the same key.

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:03 pm

You would think that the ¬ and the £ would have been together on the new key, instead of shuffling everything around.

Wizard Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 1269

Well, I've no idea what the ¬ is for: this is about the first time I've used it!