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Beginner Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 28

You know someone was going to ask. :P

Will CMud have the same lib issues that zMud does running it in linux?

Yes I am a paying customer and love my zMud in linux.
(just a pain to run all that setup :P )

Beginner Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Posts: 28

I'm interested in the answer to this as well.

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:21 pm

I don't know what "lib issues" you are referring to. CMUD will use the same copy protection system as the latest 7.21 zMUD, but from what I understand, the 7.21 version runs better than the previous eLicense versions. So I guess you'll need to be more specific about what you are asking.

Beginner Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 28

Well, I just got the 7.21 so i am tlaking about the older versions. And maybe it was just the eLincense that was the major trouble. Guess its time to try the 7.21 install :P

GURU Joined: 23 Dec 2000 Posts: 4834 Location: USA

I think he meant to ask if you'd be building a Linux version that didn't have to run in an emulator. Clearly the answer would be no, as not much other than the removal of the elicense wrapper and the upgrade to Delphi 7 has changed in regard to a Linux port of Zmud. Namely, there's a significant number of third-party controls that haven't yet made the port over to Linux, Kylix just sucks, and Zugg doesn't really have time to support multiple codebases (at least, more than the Basic/Pro/etc setup he wants to use with CMud).

Beginner Joined: 09 Mar 2003 Posts: 28

Nah, I wasn't after a linux version (though it would be nice) I just like Zuggs builds, and was wondering if it would be easyer to emulate on linux.

I just hate to have to install IE on my linux box again if i dont have to.

Apprentice Joined: 16 Dec 2002 Posts: 114 Location: USA

I have personally tested each version of Zmud I have had access to just to play around with it in wine. I know for certain that any version of zmud can be run in linux successfully, including the mapper and database (though those two modules are a pain in the *** to get working 100% completely). When CMUD is released, if there is a large enough need, i may consider purchasing cmud, and writing a 100% documented guide to installing it and configuring wine completely so that you have a fully functional cmud in linux. If anyone is interested, just respond here, ill keep tabs on this post.

Wizard Joined: 10 Oct 2000 Posts: 1551 Location: Australia

I'm interested - though mostly from curiosity's sake, I'm probably not going to run Linux as a serious desktop anytime soon (I use it for my server, but that's different). In ways I think it will be easier to get CMUD working, because it's not going to have ADO and all that other jazz, so hopefully it should be even simpler to install and run.

GURU Joined: 23 Dec 2000 Posts: 4834 Location: USA

Actually, it's not actually going to be using ADO. ADO just happens to be one of the management systems it can handle. The third-party library Zugg is using wraps all the different systems, without requiring all that overhead that Zugg didn't like about ADO.

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:08 am

However, remember that the first beta version of CMUD still uses the old zMUD mapper database and code, and that still uses ADO. CMUD won't be "ADO-less" until I rewrite that part of the mapper later this year.

On the downside (back to the linux topic), CMUD *does* use DirectX, and that might cause additional linux headaches. This is currently only used for audio support and I'll try to make sure it will still run without DirectX (and just disable the audio). However, future versions of CMUD might start using the graphics portions of DirectX.

Apprentice Joined: 16 Dec 2002 Posts: 114 Location: USA

Linux does have ways of supporting direct X, the sound manipulation may be a bit of a headache depending on which display manager, sound libs, etc a person is running, but still very possible.

When you have a working version of cmud beta, ill go ahead and buy it, configure it and release the guide... then when you release the non ado based, ill go ahead and redo the guide for the new release, i know there are at least 10 people on here interested in seeing it work on linux.

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Wanderer Joined: 03 Nov 2000 Posts: 59

VMware's free products also offer a good way of getting "cranky" apps like zMUD running under Linux. It's not as nice as the full desktop integration Wine provides, but it tends to work better with older software.

Of course, this assumes that you have a Windows license to install on the virtual machine.

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Wizard Joined: 25 Mar 2003 Posts: 1113 Location: USA

I'm 99% sure it's not going to happen, but you let us know if you figure it out. Smile

Wizard Joined: 03 Mar 2001 Posts: 1127 Location: London

Has anyone tried using Cedega (http://www.transgaming.com/) - it claims to be able to allow DirectX software to run.
If people can run WoW, Civ4, CounterStrike etc using it then I can't believe that CMUD's use of DirectX is so different as to prevent it even starting. I'm a complete newbie as regards Linux (about an hour into Ubuntu Edgy) - after figuring out a few problems with the GeForce drivers to enable hardware acceleration I got the CMUD installer running correctly and had the CMUDHELP.exe running fine, but CMUD.exe wasn't playing and I wouldn't have the first clue where to start troubleshooting.

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Apprentice Joined: 11 Aug 2006 Posts: 100

VERY INTERESTED.
GO demoneyoungblood
post people!

Magician Joined: 25 Oct 2000 Posts: 461 Location: USA

I'm going to derail this thread a slight bit...

Zami - there is a way to get VMWare to boot your pre-existing Windows install so you can avoid purchasing a second Windows license. I'm sorry, I don't have a link handy for the exact details, but I have done it myself in the past - I had found instructions for doing so in either a VMWare faq, or in their forums. This is actually a really nice way to go, as you can install CMUD (or whatever) in Windows while booted _into_ Windows, but then at any time you are in your linux partition, you can fire up VMWare pointing at your existing install of Windows and have everything there just as you did while _in_ Windows.

EDIT:
Okay, rude to bring up cool features and not provide a link: http://blogs.vmware.com/vmtn/vmware_player/index.html

That should point you in the right direction for setting up what I described above.

Newbie Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 1

So the installer installs fine under Ubuntu 8.04 with latest updates and WINE 0.9.59, however (and this applies to ZMUD as well ever since the switch was made for the license system according to WINE's appDB,) I get a message stating:

Error!

"For security purposes, this program will not run while system debuggers are active. Please remove or disable the system debugger before trying to run this program again."

The program then closes.
This is (to say the least,) annoying. If there is any way to get around this, let me know, and if not I hope that a new build will be made soon that fixes this issue. I have paid for a combo license for CMUD and ZMUD, and neither works under WINE.

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Apprentice Joined: 24 Jul 2008 Posts: 109

I, too, would be interested in a way to use CMUD in Linux.